In this series Terra is divided in some administrative territories. The novel doesn't specify which, so I made up 16 administrative territories with their flags. Some of then exist nowadays, like Europe, the Union of South American Nations or the Association of Southeast Asian Nations.
Moreover, the sea level has risen 15m, so many coastal cities have disappeared, like Venice or Kolkata, and others has been founded near the disappeared, like Shin Tokyo or Bangkok Mai.
The world population is nearly 30 billion people, more concentrated in cities. In the map I tried to represent every city with more than 1 million people.
Here you can see the UN flag:
UN future flag
Here is an UN ID card:
Chrisjen Avasarala ID card
1 question: wasn't Den Haag the UN headquarters in book two, so it wasn't drowned by rising seas?
2. Beyond sea level rise, how bad did climate change ultimately get?
3. Is there a timeline of events leading up to this? If not, could you please make one?
In "Nemesis games" book, climate change of this world became less serious problem.
1- Unfortunately, I don't think the books say much about this.
In my opinion, probably South Asia and East Asia would be the most populated, meaning that they'd most likely control the Security Council of the UN.
2 About the climate change. After the damage done to the planet's ecosystem reached extreme levels, the world's nations decided to finally put aside their individual interests and international differences and achieve global unification. The newly-established world government managed to decrease climate change and pollution to acceptable levels and enforced ecological recovery programs that are still active in the 23th century. However, some damage was unavoidable, and a good example in the books is the city of New York, which needed a massive wall (not for the Mexicans, sorry Trump ) in order to prevent a catastrophic flood.
3. There is no exact timeline, as far as I know. I could make one, when I find some time and inspiration
And how such unification works is clearly visible in eastern Europaean Union. Germany and France clearly tries to exploit countries here instead of cooprerating, forcing very one-sided beneficial deals with our government (usually signed from our side by those most corrupted politicans, so they clearly came to agreement with them by paying bribes). The bigger unification is, the stronger abuse of weaker regions will become. So, no. Not in 250 years, not even in 2500 years and if it would ever happend it will end in rare "centers of civilization" exploiting people in poorer regions. So thats why I think UN from Leviathan wakes was so naive idea.
Yes, I am misanthropist. I believe humanity is evil.
Most Germans more feel like the paymaster for everyone. It´s a bit slanted what you say, but I can agree that
the solution for Greece was dumb.
Ok, I had busy week, but finally finished this answer essay.
Poland profited since 1989 (end of communist occupation) not because it wasn’t exploited but rather despite of it. Before 1989 salaries in Poland were so poor, that when you had 1000$ you could instantly buy an apartment. Of course to earn it, you had to work for many years. If you were foreigner tourist, you could spend a day in most luxurious hotel in Poland and eat only in best restaurants for a price for which in England or USA you could buy one beer. And if you managed to go to west, you could not afford buying anything without working there, as one beer was worth your monthly earnings in Poland. That’s how socialist economy works (or rather do not work). So yes, comparing to that, our situation is indeed much better. But it is only merit of ending this socialism experiment coerced here by Russia. Still salaries in Poland are significantly lower than in the West. Maybe now only 2 to 3 times, and not 1000 times like 30 years ago but still.
How German government exploit eastern Europe you ask? Well, book could be written about it. So about only most obvious cases:
Nord stream. It allows to transport gas straight from Russia to Germany bypassing territory of Eastern Europe. What does it mean to us? Now Russia could immediately stop selling gas to Poland, Ukraine and other countries in this region, while still keeping selling it to Western Europe. Poland lack infrastructure, which could allow importing enough gas from the west. And so if Russia would want to quickly harm Poland, for example when preparing country for invasion (well it happened in Ukraine not so long ago), now they will have perfect tool for it.
Also position of these Nord Stream pipes blocks access for any heavy ships (container ships and oil tankers) to our seaport in Świnoujście.
Donald Tusk. Current president of the European Council. He is from Poland, but in last election Poland did not supported him, while Germany did. Well, before it he was prime minister of Poland for 7 years. All his decisions during this time were acquiescent with German business, even if it was conflicting with Polish business. Job of president of European Council is clearly the bribe he was rewarded with, as his salary now is greater than any politician in Poland. All the more, he never resisted against will of German government, so he is very comfortable president of European Council for them. They have their own man at this position, while officially he is a foreigner and this is the way media show him. By the way, as Prime Minister of Poland, he broke every single electoral promise. Also his party Civic Platform had very high tolerance for corruption. Even his son was working in financial company “Amber Gold”, which during Civic Platform cadence had very strong backup from Polish government but turned out to be a mafia when it embezzled fortunes of over 5 thousand people (overall about 100 million $). And it was just one of several scandals of this scale he was connected with and even not the biggest one (but about these also books could be written). This man has absolutely no morals. But Germany supported him in all ways it had access to, in principle of: “Corrupted bastard, but it is our corrupted bastard”. There was humorous opinion about him when he was prime minister of Poland. It was saying that he is Robin Hood of our times. He robs poor and gives himself.
Climate package. It was signed by Donald Tusk (of course!) in 2008. It obliged Poland to reduce CO2 emissions by 20% between 2013 and 2020. It sounds reasonably, but only if you don’t know the real story. Before it, Poland was obliged to reduce CO2 emission by 6% since 1988. During this time Polish industry managed to reduce emission by 31,9%. More than fivefold than it was obliged to. And more than any other country managed to do. So Poland had many unused emission supply, which Polish government could sell to countries which didn’t managed to fulfill agreement. But after Tusk decision all this achievement is obsolete, After it Poland should quickly reduce CO2 emissions it still has (and these, which are left are the ones we can’t easily reduce), or pay other countries which managed to reduce emissions more since 2008 (and nobody cares who reduced emissions more before it).
Fortunately this story has a happy ending. After Civic Platform lost election, next government managed to implement alteration. Now surface of forests growing in country can reduce penalties for CO2 emission. Poland have lots of forests so still is out ahead on. But if not this stupid decision of Tusk (or not stupid, he was rewarded after all with all that was important for him) Poland could earn on achievement of reducing CO2 emissions more than other countries. Now nobody cares about this achievement.
Refugees. Last few years German government announced that they will accept every refugee. And (surprise?!) XD millions of immigrants, criminals and terrorists joined true refugees creating flood of people, whose identity often cannot be tracked and they all demand to live in UE. Of course such numbers of people from nobody-know-where must cause serious problems, so German government decided to dispose all these so called “refugees” among other countries. But other countries didn’t want these immigrants (well in Poland there live very low percentage of Muslims compared to other European countries and guess how many terrorist attack was there? Zero! In history of Poland there was never any terrorist attack! Let it stay like it is.) and also immigrants didn’t wanted to stay there (Polish average salary is lower than German unemployed allowance, so “refuges”, who came here preferred to run to Germany and do nothing there than work in Poland). So German government came with a solution! Let force other countries governments to pay immigrants as high unemployed allowance as in Germany OR force them to pay penalties if they would not do it! Do you see what does it mean? That would create special caste of people, who get more money for staying in Poland and doing NOTHING, than most people get for hard work! Moreover working would be unprofitable for them, because if they would find a job, they would probably earn less than being “special caste” unemployed. Absurd? Yes, but Polish government (Civic Platform party) agreed on these terms! (Well, it smells like bribe to me). And shortly after this decision Civic Platform lost election (surprise?). Current government in Poland doesn’t want to accept any refugees now, which after these events is quite obvious.
By the way Poland accepted many thousands refugees from Chechnya and Ukraine before current refugee crisis started. But nobody noticed it in the Western Europe. So it’s not about being good hearted, it’s simply a propaganda. It’s only about getting rid of their problem.
Media. In most newspapers and TV stations in Poland German companies own more than 50% actions. That means they support German business. For example, by supporting political parties which support German government. How such thief like Donald Tusk could become prime minister if he didn’t had strong media support? After Civic Platform (Tusks party) lost election to Law and Justice party, all those German owned media started tremendous hate propaganda toward current government. They describe them as nationalists, and there is no month when they would not warn about any public arrests, slaughters, wars and apocalypses, which will happen soon (no, it do not happens). On the other hand Law and Justice got hold of some other media, and then released equally tremendous counter propaganda telling how good it is now and who we owe it to. I think true is even not in the middle, all media launched themselves somewhere to far space and lost all common sense behind. Both versions of this propaganda make me want to vomit. I can’t watch TV now. But many people are so devoted to one side of this conflict, they will immediately hate you if you don’t support their side. I personally dislike Civic Platform more than Law and Justice (there is much more scandals associated with Civic Platform), but I don’t trust both. But if you hear in media that nationalists took the rule over Poland and make any kind of apocalypse here, its probably German propaganda helping their pet party in Poland and there is no reason to believe it.
Industry. This is to complicated for me to explain this, as I don’t understand perfectly how it worked, but Civic Platform politicians seemed to deliberately sabotage some large national companies, especially those, which were competition to foreign ones, like shipyards, airlines, chemical industry companies or mines. Embezzled fortunes “magically” disappeared, some companies bankrupted or were sold surprisingly cheap to foreign owners. These deals were very unfavorable to country (national property), but as politicians controlled it, they could grow rich very quickly taking gigantic bribes before their cadence ended. And they didn’t cared what happen to country after it. Principle: “After us even the biblical flood may come”, which appears when very dishonest people come to rule is probably the greatest flaw of democracy.
War reparations. Poland never received them however number of death and damage was absolutely terrible in Poland. Lets start with the fact that capitol of Poland, Warsaw, the city I live in, was completely razed to the ground and its population exterminated by Germans as a punishment for uprising (they planned to build a dam on river and turn city into lake, but Russians chased them out so they didn’t had time for it. But there is no place for gratitude for Russians, they distributed leaflets to encourage uprising and when it started they deliberately stopped the offensive waiting till both Poles and Germans kill as many of each other as possible before they entered to start their own occupation). City was rebuilt from debris (mostly by newcomers from villages, as I wrote earlier, native population of Warsaw was almost eradicated) after war and this is the reason why all structures in city older than only 50 years are listed as antique. Also Poland suffered highest percentage of death during war. It is estimated that at least 17% of whole population was killed. But Poland never received compensation for all of it. Moreover Bierut (he was puppet - president of Poland after soviet Russians faked elections in Poland during their long after-war occupation) announced that Poland disclaim these reparations in 1953 (the moment when Russia agreed with Germany about stopping paying reparations). Of course it was soviet order and thus not true will of Polish nation, but for German government it was enough to end topic of reparations. And in fact Germany owes Poland at least 45.3 billion dollars! That is one of estimated value of Polish losses during war. And it is not the highest estimation.
Death camps. This one upsets me probably the most of it all. German television and newspapers often deliberately use term: “Polish death camps”. After being sued by Polish citizens they claim it was error or just mental shortcut, but problem is much bigger, it’s a propaganda. This term is VERY OFFENSIVE toward polish people, as these death camps were built by Germans during occupation, had German speaking crew and Poles were only prisoners here. Most people in Poland have in family somebody who was imprisoned in German death camp, some of these stories have happy ending and prisoner survived till the end of war (carrying for the rest of life a tattoo, number which was his name during death camp imprisonment), but many of them died here, usually from starvation. Recently there was TV series “Unsere Mütter, unsere Väter”, which became famous because it presented very lying and very offensive story toward Poles and was shown in our TV in hours of best viewership (which also suggest foreign bribe). I didn’t watched it, but I heard that Poles were shown here as hating Jews, while Germans, who were protagonists saved them. In reality Germans during war were exterminating Jews, but still many Poles tried to help them hiding. The problem was, in Poland punishment for helping Jew during occupation was death of whole family. Yet two of my grand-grandfathers helped Jews despite of risk. German soldiers didn’t found these Jews hiding in their barns (well, otherwise I wouldn’t be here to write it), but found one in some other family in the same village like one of my ancestors family lived. So Germans chased them all to hut and found that one of their daughters is missing (she was playing with friend away from house). So they “borrowed”(!) one daughter from their neighbors, closed her inside hut with family accused for helping Jew, nailed all doors and shutters and then set hut on fire. Of course all people inside died in flames. And now German television shows Polish people (who risked lives of their families) as Jew hating, and German soldiers (who executed these families for helping Jews) as rescuing Jews. This is such awful lie! Also, western media (basically everywhere outside Poland) always refer German soldiers during world war II as ‘nazi”. If you ask grandparents in Poland who were “nazi”, they would say, there were no nazi, there were Germans. They spoke German language, referred themselves as better kind of people, because they were Germans and they could kill you legally if they wanted to, because they were German and you were not. And nobody heard about any “nazi” until many years after war. But now, in history there are no more Germans during war, but “nazi”. Whole Germany mysteriously disappear during time of world war II and nobody hear anything what Germans did or happened to them during war. Instead of Germany there were some kind of “nazi” nation. Where the fuck all these “nazi” came from, from the Mars? And what is the real problem with it? Well, people outside Europe don’t know well how the real story was, and so when you ask Americans or Australians who build death camps, some of them will tell that Poles, because they heard this awful lie about “polish death camps”. Also they never hear any word “Germans” about these camps, because they were built by mythical “nazi”, whose nationality is passed over. But they repeatedly hear word “Poland” bonded with this “nazi” and “death camps” terms and so not knowing the story, these words interconnect in their minds. And that’s how propaganda works, redeploy a blame on a victim because it happened in their territory under occupation. It can be understandable that German government wants its country to not be associated with all these terrible crimes during war, but attempt to put blame on victim?! Shame!!! Very recently counter-propaganda (but in this case rightful in my opinion) from Poland was released, you can google “German death camps” posters.
I guess that’s only minor fraction of real problems, I know about only most obvious cases.
About solution for Greece it was not dumb. It was cunning as hell. Solution for Greece enabled German banks to rescue fortune invested in Greece, while Greece as a country remained bankrupt. As popular meme says: “It’s the evilest thing I can imagine!”. So about being paymasters for everyone I see rather propaganda here, in fact it looks far grimmer.
Main difference between Poles and Germans is trust for government. Poles don’t trust politicians and when hear government tells, they want our good, we know we should hide our goods before they will take them. Well that’s result of 173 years of foreign (sometimes very brutal) occupation during our history. Germans on the other hand, trust government and can believe everything politicians want is really for their good. And history shows that government sometimes want really terrible things. And believe me, your government now is still bunch of cold bastards. It is clearly visible from countries they try to exploit like Poland, Ukraine, Hungary and Greece. And of course its not only Germany, which try exploit these regions.
The pipeline from Russia directly to Germany is mostly created, so that no country inbetween maybe having a crisis or bad relation to Germany
can just block the pipeline and it´s more independant. It wasn´t made to damage Poland but to avoid that Poland has it in his hands.
I never heard anyone in Germany says, the death camps were created or led by Poles, where did you read that? oO The Germans have such an extreme
guilt and every child learns about the crimes, that many are too afraid to even wave the flag or show the slightest patriotism, so I doubt this is a big issue,
and maybe really just a small mistake by one magazone or tv show and not the whole german nation lol.
I totally agree with the refugee case, Merkel betrayed us as well and I would never demand that others have to take them. We want to get rid of those
politicians who caused that as well don´t worry I´m on your side here.
The reparation demand is childish sorry, your government exactly knows that it will never happen cause all agreed in 1990 that it is over. It´s just populism
to cause new trouble and attention and nothing more. Beside Poland got half of its territory from Germany, so any reparation would be paid more than enough
by so much land, cities and goods.Imo it´s ridicolous to demand that all 2 years again and again, it´s over deal with it.
But even if it wasnt made to damage Poland its localization cannot be explained by any other reason. If large ships cannot dock in Świnoujście, some will dock not far to west, in German ports. And thus German could earn on it instead of Poland.
In movies produced by Germany, German soldiers are shown as usually nice people and certianly not such monsters which my grandparents remember. In Poland and Germany there are still some people alive who remember it. But people in other continents, in Americas, Australia or eastern Asia usually dont know really how it was, they learn history of their regions. And if they repetedly hear that death camps were Polish, they will remember it and without research in literature, they will acknowledge it as true. And probably the large scale plan is to first convince rest of the world, and then when children of people who seen it die, they will try to completely redeploy a blame from Germany to Poland. These errors are repeated to often to be just errors.
While I think, that Merkel should get life imprisonment at least for refugee decision, I seriously doubt that any German government could be any less untrustworthy for other UE countries than she is...
About reparations Polish government know it will probably never happened, but not because it is finished, but German government says so and it would be very hard to change it. They take announcement forced on Polish government by foreign force or paid by bribe as legally valid. But these reparations were NOT paid to Poland.
Western teritory of Poland was indeed taken from Germany, but these were NOT reparations. In fact Poland also lost on this deal. Because Poland didnt just received these lands. Poland was just rearranged to west. Soviet Russia cut eastern lands of Poland joining them to soviet so called "union" (parts of now Belarus and Ukraine), giving Poland smaller lands on the west taken from Germany. This castling was to weaken Germany and Poland at once. So who gained on this deal? Well, only one man. Joseph Stalin. Russian citzens had nothing from it. And people in eastern Poland, who found oneself inside Soviet Russia after setting out new border were in very grim situation, as Ukraine was probably a country, which suffered the most under communist Russia occupation.
Every german world war movie I saw has also evil and criminal german soldiers in it, idk what you mean.
Ofc they don´t show every single soldiers as babyeating monster, but it seems like that´s what you want.
In fact even my greatgrandpa and many Wehrmacht soldiers were absolutely normal men, if you can believe it or not XD
And american movies always portray Germans in an exaggerated weird way, like they are only scream talking etc.
Well noone says those camps were polish, show me a link where you saw that please. Poles are not all innocent too btw.
they did some crimes as well or became helpers both for the Nazis to find jews or for the Russians to expell or kill german civilians.
And the bloody sunday of Bromberg is also known.
I often see a huge lack in Poland to see also the own mistakes, because many Poles love the role of being a victim.
What Poland did to Germans inside Poland after the first world war, and taking all those land without referendum
created a hate between the two as well. The Czechs weren´t better. (not all ofc).
Yes I hate Merkel too, I am on your side.
It doesn´t matter if Poland wanted the western lands or not, it got it and they´re worth enough.
That Russia took your eastern regions is something you have to blame on them not on us, that´s nor our problem.
Beside Poland took those eastern lands after the first world war in a smaller war and those regions were extremely
mixed, you didn´t have polish majorities everywhere there, while Silesia, Pommerania and East Prussia or Danzig had
clear german majorities. So after all the civilians were punished, the weakest.
But yes I give you that this is Stalins fault. But polish nationalists welcomed it, I saw maps where Poland demanded already
after ww1 the german eastern territories. It´s not a new idea born during ww2.
Humanity have priorities and believe me, these are not making world a better place to live but make oneself richer. It is clearly visible how ecology is used as a pretext to exploitation some countries instead of really save environment. German government depict itself as very environment-caring and often tries to force eastern europaean countries to lift contributions for environment protection, while when one of endangered species, which live in our country, but not in Germany like bear or bison (it happened few days ago) crosses their border, they immediately shot it. I really, really dont trust politicians. Giving rule over Earth to hands of one or few people would lead to unimaginable overuses.